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CS 104 - Class 01

Ice Age
Ice came down as far as Kansas City, MO
They say there was 4 ice ages.
Ice pushes against rocks and when it melts it leaves behind a huge pile of rocks called moraines.
Rocks in front of glaciers make terminal moraines.
Terminal = stopped
Eventually hills of rocks get covered by dirt and look like dirt mounds.
Huge boulders have been pushed by ice for miles and grooved deep marks in solid rock below proving that they had moved a long way.
Rocks off to sides of glaciers make lateral moraines.
Glaciers move faster in the middle than at the sides because there is less friction.
Crevice can open up that is 1 ft wide and 200 ft deep. Very dangerous. Teams are tied together by ropes so if one falls the others can pull them up.

A mile of ice is heavy. It presses down on the earth. When it melts the ground lifts back up in places.
In Antarctica if all the snow melted the continent would lift up 2000 ft.
Isostatic rebound.
As it melts it springs back unevenly and leaves thousands of lakes like in WI and MN.
Two groups of thought on when Ice ages occurred.
The ice age caused the flood and lasted about 200 years.
The flood caused the ice age. (What started the flood?)

In Colorado if you dig under the ground far enough there is still permafrost.

Ice bergs break off chunks of ice and fall into ocean.
Talk of dragging giant ice berg down to middle east for drinking water because fresh water floats on top of salt water.

Borrow Alaska - nothing grows. Above arctic circle.
Drilling well went down 1000 ft and started hitting wood. There was a 300 ft tall tree standing up 1000 feet under the permafrost.
Largest tree in world today is 320 ft. Odds are that they could not have drilled through the tallest one down there.
It is now freeze dried wood.
There is very little sun light because of tilt of earth up there.
Trees grow 1 inch tall and wide because when sun is out it is so close to the horizon that it grows out not up like bush.

First person on the South pole could see palm leaves frozen under the ice.
It is hard to grow palms in Pensacola FL let alone on the South pole.
Tropical plants are found in the north and south poles.
Could have been caused by contentments drifting as evolutionists think or a flood rearranging the world or that at sometime in the past the south pole was a tropical environment.

Woolly Mammoths found sometimes frozen in standing position.
People have eaten mammoth meat. Cut slab out of frozen mammoth and cook it. Tastes like it has been in the freezer too long.
In warmer summers the ice melts and exposes mammoths.
Some people say mammoths are designed for colder weather because they have long hair.
Animals in jungle have long hair.
Walt Brown's book In the Beginning goes through all the reasons why they could not be cold weather animals.

Elephants eat 500 lbs/day of food.
Where would a mammoth get 500 lbs of food every day?
There are no wear marks on the tusks indicating that they used them to move snow like deer do.
Not enough vegetation for the mammoths.
People used to go up and take the tusks for the ivory.
Lot of money for a giant tusk 20 ft long.
In one year 20,000 tusks were removed.
There are an estimated 5 million mammoths frozen around the arctic.
Mammoths did not drown, they suffocated.
New Siberian Islands - so many frozen animals under the ice that you can barely walk without stepping on an animal.
Camels 15 ft tall. What is a 15 ft tall camel doing in the arctic?
Frozen mammoth stomaches have frozen Buttercup seeds in their stomaches undigested.
Small ice crystals mean that they froze quickly.
If you freeze something slowly you get large crystals (rock candy)
Small ice crystals in blood.
Asked people that freeze meat for a living and they said it would require a temperature of -300 degrees below zero to freeze a mammoth without it having time to rot (5 hours).
Moose hit by car when -20 out and they came back the next day to get the moose and the outside 6 inches were frozen but the inside was roting from the warmth of the body that was trapped inside.
Coldest temperature recorded on earth is -129 below zero.
Spit freezes before it hits the ground if it is -50 degrees out.
Since it never gets that cold on earth something had to happen.

It is called the Hovind Theory because if any of it is wrong they can not blame anyone else.

Fish fossils found in diatomous earth by the millions.
1 square foot has 30 fish fossils in it.
Oil in rock can be seen that it was formed by pressing the fish.
Why are there shells on the top of mountains?

Mass does not change, your weight does.
If you are on earth or space you weigh the same.
If two objects strike in space it would be the same as on earth just a frictionless environment.
A bus hitting a Volvo would have the same results in space.

Moon ¼ million miles away.
If you moved the moon into half that distance (1/8 million miles away) the attraction would be squared.
1/3 of the distance would equal 9 times the pull.
Works on gravity, light, magnetism, and girls.
Force of attraction - inverse square
Half the distance the attraction is squared

Top wobble
A spinning top will follow a predictable path when struck by an object.
North pole always points toward North star.

First day of summer there is 12 hours of day light and 12 hours of dark at the equator.
Middle of the summer at the North pole there is 24 hours of sunlight.

Graph of time verse angle of a wobbling top and you would get a wavy line.
From the line you could go back and determine when the top was struck.

George Dodwell - astronomer
Studied many things around world that were build with respect to the sun.
Stonehenge, Egyptian Solar Temple of Amen-Ra, etc.
Volcanoes under the oceans - magazine

June 21st longest day of the year
December 21st shortest day of the year
December 25th used to be the shortest day but the earth moves
Pagan cultures would bring gifts to the temple for the sun god to convince him to start coming out longer and not go away.
Catholic statues of Mary have a sun behind her head and rays on the communion wafers.
Lucifer symbol of the sun.

George Dodwell gathered data for many years and calculated that the earth was struck by an object 4350 years ago and was not coming to the end of its wobble.

Solstice shadow.
Sun higher in the summer than the winter.
The graph produced by the wobble of the earth is the same as a spinning top.

Tilt of earth causes seasons, colder weather, warmer weather
First mention of cold weather is
Genesis 8:22
[22] While the earth remaineth, seedtime and harvest, and cold and heat, and summer and winter, and day and night shall not cease.
If the earth had no tilt then it would be like spring all year round on almost the entire globe.

If the magnetic field was stronger we would always be able to tell witch way was North without a compass or the stars.

Moon has craters on it but they are not evenly distributed like they would be if it was slowly getting bombarded over many millions of years.
Most of the craters are in the same area.
Moon goes around the earth every 29 days.
Earth also spins once every 29 days.
We never get to see the back of the moon because it is exactly the same rate.
Mares - word for crater

Earth is 93 million miles away from sun.
93 million miles = 1AU (astronomical unit)

Mercury = 0.387 AU
Venus = 0.723 AU
Mars = 1.524 AU
Jupiter = 5.203 AU
Saturn = 9.529 AU
Uranus = 19.19 AU
Neptune = 30.06 AU
Pluto = 39.53 AU

Mercury is full of uneven craters like the moon.
Crater creep - holes on sides of craters that slowly disappear as craters settle due to gravity or heat.
On mercury the craters should disappear much faster than on the moon due to the heat.
Many craters have steep sides when they would not if the craters were millions of years old.

Grand canyon on mars is much larger then the one on earth.
1998 Scientific America article saying that the canyon formed within a few weeks by water erosion.
They make that conclusion on mars where there is almost no water when they won't on earth where the surface is mostly water.

Mars is 1.5AU away from sun and slightly smaller.
Size of ½ diameter would not mean ½ the volume.
Surface area is proportional to radius not volume.

Meissner Effect
Magnets floating on each other.
Japan super fast trains levitate on magnetic tracks. "Mag-lev"

Commits flying through space are giant snow balls.
Sometimes ice or stone or nickel.
Nickel rare on earth but a lot in space.

Earth's atmosphere keeps us warm like a blanket.
Space is -456 deg F
Absolute zero is 459.6 deg F (0K -273C)
Nothing gets colder than absolute zero.

One proof of the big bang is the 3 degrees background radiation.
There are plenty of other places that could have come from.

Throw a snow ball too fast and it will break apart.

Earth has lost 6% of its magnetic field in the past 150 years.
Northern and Southern lights occur when sun is having storms.
Radios will get worse reception during solar storms and during day time.
At night you can get AM stations from over a thousand miles.
Sun pushes on magnetic field and interferes with the way the radio waves travel.

Who was Peleg?
Genesis 10:25
[25] And unto Eber were born two sons: the name of one was Peleg; for in his days was the earth divided; and his brother's name was Joktan.

Hebrew names have meanings.
In Genesis 10 only a few people have their names explained so why is Peleg so important?
Noah lived to be 950 years
Shem lived to be 600 years
Eber lived to be 464 years
Peleg lived to be 239 years

There is always more than one way to look at something.
I believe the bible is correct until proved wrong.
Some people won't believe the bible until it is proved correct.

Atheist came to a preacher and said "I don't believe anything in the bible. Unless you can prove one thing in it scientifically" so the preacher grabbed his nose and twisted it side to side and it started bleeding. The atheist asked why he did that and the priest said "the wringing of the nose bringeth forth blood, Proverbs 30:33"

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The Hovind Theory
1. Noah and the animals were safely in the ark and God closed the door
2. -300 degree below zero ice meteor began to break apart as it entered the solar system leaving ice rings around several planets and causing uneven craters on the moon and other planets.
3. Ice meteor hit the earth and dumped snow on North and South poles causing earths crust to crack and make the fountains of the great deep break open, bury mammoths, and cause the canopy to collapse.
4. The cold air from the snow would hit the warm air and cause rain and covering the earth with water.
5. Animals were eventually settled and buried and fossils formed
6. Swirling waters deposited large amounts of plants and animals in places creating coal deposits over the next hundred years.
7. The crust moved and the valleys sank down and mountains arose. While contents were moving the water running off would have created canyons.
8. Over the next several hundred years the ice caps would melt making the oceans deeper and colder and that is why we have a continental shelf. The cold water would absorb the carbon dioxide shortening lifespans in the days of Peleg.

Earth still shows evidence of a flood to remind everyone that God hates sin.

God told Noah to "come into the ark" not "go into the ark"
Genesis 7:1
[1] And the LORD said unto Noah, Come thou and all thy house into the ark; for thee have I seen righteous before me in this generation.
God was in the ark with Noah.

Bring clean beast by sevens and unclean beasts by two's.
It was known thousand years before Moses what was clean and unclean.
Common knowledge of clean and unclean since creation?
Sevens of animals could mean a total of seven animals, seven male and seven female, or 1 male and 6 female like farmers do.
Bible does not say.

At the end of the flood God tells Noah to "go out of the ark" not "come out".
Genesis 8:16
[16] Go forth of the ark, thou, and thy wife, and thy sons, and thy sons' wives with thee.

Noah only had to take animals that the nostrils were the breath of life and lived on dry land.
Genesis 6:17
[17] And, behold, I, even I, do bring a flood of waters upon the earth, to destroy all flesh, wherein is the breath of life, from under heaven; and every thing that is in the earth shall die.
No fish, no insects.
God shut the door.

300 degree below zero meteor.
No one sees commits hitting the moon or mercury however they are full of craters.
Ice would hit and melt within a few days on moon or quicker on mercury.
Moon 250 degrees above in sunlight
Planets rings are made of ice.
Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus, Neptune have rings.
As fragments of a meteor approached earth it would break apart like a snow ball going to fast and break into billions of pieces.
Skeptics say that ice meteor would melt in the atmosphere because of temperature and friction.
If earth had a canopy that limited the atmosphere to 10 miles instead of the 100 miles that it is today it would be easier for the ice to get through without melting.
A stream of water will go right through a fire and only loose a little amount to vaporization.
A cold channel around the poles would slowly allow more and more cold snow to pass through with less vaporizing.

Super cold ice can be charged and take on unusual properties.
Hydrogen and Oxygen molecules are connected at a 105 degree angle.
Sharing an electron.
Hydrogen is slightly positive and Oxygen is slightly negative.
The negative attracts another positive causing water cohesion.
Around 32 degrees water freezes and the crystals swell up about 12% causing the ice to float on top of the water.
Most things shrink when they get cold.
Water shrinks until it reaches 37 degrees then it begins to swell.
If water was not designed that way what would happen is when the top layer of ice formed on a lake it would sink to the bottom and the next layer would do the same until the lake was completely frozen killing all the fish.

Water at 300 below zero becomes malleable like metal.
Beat it with a hammer and it flattens instead of shatters.
If there was an ice canopy 6-10 inches thick it would have compressed the atmosphere and be suspended by the magnetic field by the Meissner Effect (not meisner).

As snow is being piled up on the poles the edges spread out causing glaciers.
We are still being hit by ice comets however they melt before touching the ground.

There are sediment layers under the ice caps because water floats on ice and the flood waters would have still deposited layers and then when they receded they would have dropped the ice.
New Siberian Islands - part of Russia.
Frozen Bobcat, Camels, Bison, and Mammoths
Islands full of frozen animals.

Deepest ice measurement taken was 14,000 ft near south pole.
Antarctica has 7,000,000 cubic miles of ice on it.
If the ice all melted the oceans would raise 250 feet.
In a dirty diamond mine in 1962.
Admiral Byrd reported frozen palm leaves in ice on Antarctica.
Antarctica has many kinds of tropical plants and animals buried.
1. Pangea - would used to be one island
2. Canopy - Plants could have grown there.
3. Flood - moved plants and then froze there

Dinosaur fossils are found on the interior of Antarctica.
Plant eating dinosaur 20-30 feet long was found 400 mi from the south pole.
Has sparked a debate on weather the climate on Antarctica was temperate as soon as 3 million years ago.
Found deposits of leaves inside of cliff that were 250 miles from south pole.
Still preserved - not fossilized.

There are two North poles. Physical and magnetic.
Pilots have to constantly adjust their compass to fly directly North
Mammoths had probably never seen a snow storm before so they started walking.
They got so far and could not let go any furtherer because the snow got so deep so fast.
There is proof that they suffocated instead of drowned.
Beresovka mammoth found in 1901.
Found standing up frozen and is still in freezer in Russia.
Wolves had eaten the snout, leg, and part of the head but the rest was intact.

Matterhorn used to be a mountain but a glacier cut it into a cliff.

Glacial groves - many in Canada.
Rock as big as a house dragged for miles

Cold air coming off of ice caps would mix with the warm air and make rain causing the canopy to come down.
The sewers backed up and everyone drowned.
Genesis 7:11
[11] In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, in the second month, the seventeenth day of the month, the same day were all the fountains of the great deep broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened.

Flood did not all come from the rain
Rained 40 days
Subterranean waters
Windows of heaven

Book of Jasher
"Is not this written in the Book of Jasher..."--Joshua, x. 13.
"Behold it is written in the Book of Jasher."--II Samuel, i. 18
Jasher 6:11
And on that day, the Lord caused the whole earth to shake, and the sun darkened, and the foundations of the world raged, and the whole earth was moved violently, and the lightning flashed, and the thunder roared, and all the fountains in the earth were broken up, such as was not known to the inhabitants before; and God did this mighty act, in order to terrify the sons of men, that there might be no more evil upon earth.

The Archko Volume
Non biblical records from the time of Jesus confirming Jesus existence.
Interviews and letters.

Book of Enoch
May have been written to justify purgatory by catholic priests.

Dump of the ice would have caused the earths surface to crack like an egg shell.
Ice spreads out towards the equator and then stops.
Caused burial of mammoths.
Caused earth to wobble
Genesis 7:19
[19] And the waters prevailed exceedingly upon the earth; and all the high hills, that were under the whole heaven, were covered.
If all the high hills were covered that means it was world wide flood.
Hugh Ross said,
"Since there are no men on the South pole why would he kill all the penguins?"
Noah landed in the Mesopotamia valley but that does not mean he started there.
Just because there is a river named Euphrates in Turkey that does not mean the Garden of Eden was there just that when they got off the ark they saw a river that looked like the one in the garden.
Bible only talks about high hills before the flood mountains are only mentioned during flood.

Globe shrunk down to 12" scale all the water on the planet would not fill 1 tablespoon.
A mile deep water on a globe would only be the thickness of a piece of paper.
Hugh Ross needs a local flood to preserve the geologic column.
On a 12 inch globe you would not even be able to feel Mt. Everest.
If you smoothed out the land the average height would be 2600 ft.
Oceans would average a depth of 12,000 ft.

26,000 feet on top of Mt Everest clams are found in the closed position.
When clams die they open.
You almost never find two matched halves of a clam on a beach and never find a closed clam after it dies.
Mud flow under water will keep the clams closed until they petrify.
Clams found 10 feet thick in places.
Near Dallas TX huge clam.

Fossilized eggs found.
Eggs are very fragile and have to be buried gently.

While the planet was wobbling the seasons would be erratic.
People built temples that lined up with the sun that are now at the wrong angle.

Earth weighs six sextillion tons.
You would not notice the wobble.

Water inside of earth very warm/hot.
Hot water kills diatoms.
Earth layers - water, rock, basalt,
As crack gets wider the rock slides off the basalt and mountains form.

Yellowstone - geyser all over the world
Hot water shooting out of crust.

Diatoms are tiny creatures that bodies are made of glass (silica).
1 inch of diatoms on the ocean floor would take 1000 years.
Diatomaceous earth available at hardware store.
Such a fine material that if you spread it around your house it will suffocate insects.
Used for insulation, paper finishes, sound proofing, cat litter, paint thickener, pool filter.
Santa Barbara California worlds largest diatomaceous mine.
15,000 feet thick solid diatomaceous earth.
It is a rock but softer than chalk.
Each crystal is so small that it absorbs a lot of water.
Antacids use them.
San Andreas fault runs through that part of CA.
Millions of fish and a whale fossil are found in the diatomaceous earth.
Whale 80 feet long and 8 feet thick.
If it takes 1 inch per 1000 years wouldn't the whale rotted by the time it got buried.
They find fossils by the trillions in diatomaceous earth.
They found a 60 ft long pterodactyl (misspelled teradactl, terodactl, petradactal) but didn't tell anyone because the museum would have shut down the mine to excavate it.

Dover England cliffs are made of chalk.
Cretaceous period is derived from Latin word Creta that means chalk.
300 feet thick chalk.
How many organisms have to die to make 300 ft thick chalk?

First few months animals die out.
When fountains of the deep break open it kills the diatoms.
Water swirls and separates animals and breaks apart roting flesh and bones.

Moving water sorts particles Millions of layers per layer or 1 flood formed all the layers.

Mudslides under water can go as fast as 70 miles per hour.
Trans Atlantic cable was cut by under water mud slide.
Fastest submarines go 35 mph.

All flesh in the world die and their remains float until the bones fall apart and get buried in strange shapes tangled with other bones that are not theirs.
T-Rex back bone found bent backwards with no other bones and no teeth marks on it.
It died in the water not by predators.

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Turbidity currents, mudslides, run outs can go incredible distances.
Moving water sorts by density and size and other factors.
Vernal Utah, huge dinosaur fossil grave yard.
San Jacinto monument in Texas was carved out of huge stone blocks that are full of fossils.
In Belgium 1978 Iguanodon skeletons found.
Iguanadon was the first dinosaur fossils found and assembled.
1809 the wife of a dentist was waiting in the car for her husband and some men were digging a ditch and found some bones. She was given the teeth and took them to her husband and said they looked like giant teeth from an iguana.
Iguanaodon = Iguana + orthodontist

There are reported to be 400 dinosaur track sites around the world.
According to Robert Bloom there are an estimated 8 billion vertebrate dinosaur bones in the Karroo formation in South Africa.
Right now it is not possible for 8 billion animals to be alive in one area proving that something had to be different before the flood.
Todays earth is 70% under water.
It was not always like that.
Genesis 1:29
[29] And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.
Herbs covering the whole face of the earth.
Bible never mentions oceans before flood only seas.

Fossilized fish found in diatomaceous earth.
During the flood areas of the earth would be violent and other areas would be tranquil.
Oceans in places would get very muddy and fish would get their gills clogged.
Fish are found fossilized in a scared position with their scales pointed like they were experiencing something they never saw before.

Canada Axel Heiberg island near North pole - preserved redwood stumps
Redwood trees don't grow many places and Axel island today has no plants growing on it.

Petrified water wheel found.
Wood under microscope - each fiber of wood has millions of wood cells all in a row.
The cell walls on plants are hard unlike in animals.
Inside the cell membrane rots and drains and then the minerals come from the ground and fill the cells and petrify them.

Fish fossil giving birth.
Either buried quickly and delicately or it takes millions of years to give birth.
Cowboy boot with foot still inside.
Company that made the boot said it was manufactured sometime between 1950-1953.
Hammer less than 40 years old
Petrified crayon.
It does not take much time to petrify something.

In 1881 a doctor died and was buried. 18 years later his wife died and they dug a hole to bury her next to him and the hole filled with water. They then dug a hole on the other side and that too had water in it so they buried her somewhere else. They then got worried about grandpa and dug him up and he had fossilized.

Widow in Brazil was having pains in her stomach so went to the doctor. They found a perfect skeleton of a fetus fossilized in her stomach. The baby appeared to be 20 inches long and ready to be born. It had to be in there for at least 15 years because that was the last time she had intercourse.

Students are taught that each layer of earth is a different age.
Curator of British national museum said fossils are not always found in the correct way in the geologic column.
Matterhorn the older fossils are on the top and the younger fossils are on the bottom.
Chief mountain in Montana same way.
Evolutionists will say that there was an over thrust.
One part of the earth broke off and slid over the top of the other piece and flipped it over.
Wouldn't you see some signs of rubbing and the breaking of solid rock?
Mountain was flipped 100 miles with no evidence.

Moving water sorts by density.
Clams could be found on the bottom because...
they evolved first or
they live on the bottom
Sorted by habitat.
Birds found on top because they are the last ones to die in a flood.

Sorted by intelligence
Sorted by mobility
Sorted by density

Stand in ocean water 3 ft deep.
The high part of the wave is heaver than the low part.
The higher weight pushes the water into the sand below you.
When the water goes back water comes out of the sand and pushes some sand on top of your feet.
Stand there for 10 minutes and you will be covered up to your ankles from liquefaction.

Moon effects earths tidal waves.
Bay of Fundy
Greatest tidal change 103 ft.
Average tidal change 52 ft.
Anchorage Alaska large tidal changes also.
Tide rushes into channel and water keeps going even if only pulled short distance.
Tip a pan of water 1 inch and the water goes up the other side 5 inches.
Greatest tidal change called spring tide.
Higher tide when sun and moon lined up.
Tide changes 6 hours and 25 minutes
If there was not continents the tides would have become harmonic.

Flood was 15 cubits above highest mountain.
That would be half the draft of the ark.

A harmonic tide would be 200 ft
Huge liquefaction

Sand ploon
layer of sand laid down then layer of limestone.
Stone cracks and sand squeezes out of the top forming a ploon.
Ayers Rock AZ.
Huge red rock in the middle of nowhere.

Genesis 7
All high hills covered.
If all the high hills were covered it was not a local flood.
God made a wind and waters
Genesis 8:1
[1] And God remembered Noah, and every living thing, and all the cattle that was with him in the ark: and God made a wind to pass over the earth, and the waters asswaged;
asswaged - sank down

NIV - wild animals
Animals were not wild before flood
It was after flood that animals became afraid of man.
NIV - waters receded

Giant sinkhole
Old English word - asswaged
Winter Park, Florida near Orlando - 40 ft deep sinkhole - many buildings fell in
Underground cave collapses and everything above falls in
Caves full of water - people build houses with wells and drain the cave and the cave collapses.

Psalms 104:6
[6] Thou coveredst it with the deep as with a garment: the waters stood above the mountains.
[7] At thy rebuke they fled; at the voice of thy thunder they hasted away.
[8] They go up by the mountains; they go down by the valleys unto the place which thou hast founded for them.

Waters above the mountains.
Some spaces sank down and others went up like a water bed.
The runoff from the movement caused the canyons.
They fled - the waters
Rapidly moving waters picks up debris - rocks, mud, trees
Water becomes liquid sand paper.

They go up by the mountains; they go down by the valleys
Old English means - Mountains rose and the valleys went down

Only high hills before flood
Mountains only mentioned during flood.

As water leaves from under the crust the crust drops down and wrinkles like a raisin.

Project Moho
They tried to dig a hole through the crust of the earth and get to where the solid rock turns to liquid magma.
No one ever has gone through the crust.
Mohorovisic discontinuity - changing point between solid and liquid
Very pretty rock - blues and pinks
Boat blows dirt off bottom of the ocean and cuts rock from the ocean floor.

Oceanic crust different thickness than the continental crust.
They can tell the thickness of the crust by sound waves.
Sound travels a lot faster through the crust and solids than through air.
Scientists can tell where an earthquake originated by triangulating the sound waves and how long it took to reach several sensors.
S Waves
P Waves
One travels through the crust and the other through the core.

Continental crust 10-20 miles thick
Oceanic crust 3-5 miles thick
Project Moho tried drilling through the ocean floor
They did not make it.
What is going to drop under the weight of water first, something 20 miles thick or something 5 miles thick.

Ring of volcanoes in pacific ocean.
Plates are moving
Brice Canyon
Georgia - mini grand canyon
farmer build shed and directed the water run off and it started creating a canyon.
Now it is a national park.
Dry Falls, Washington - Largest waterfall in the world - no water

Most mountain ranges are along the coast lines.

California water starts dropping fast while walking out into ocean.
Florida water gradually slopes out.
Something caused CA to drop rapidly.

Bent rock layers all over the earth.
Layers had to be soft in order to bend.
Rocks break and fracture not bend but there are no cracks on these bent layers.

Limestone can be squeezed into marble.
Types of stones
Metamorphic - Can change from one rock to another with heat and pressure
Igneous - caused by ignite - volcanic
Sedimentary - formed in flood
fossils found in sedimentary rock

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Oceans would be smaller for a few hundred years after the flood.
English channel only 30 ft deep.
Alaska and Russia land bridge
Continents all connected if oceans lower because of continental shelf.
Cuba and Florida would be connected.
Between Boston and New York - Hudson Canyon under water
Large spill way that could not have been caused by Hudson River.

80,000 tons per hour of sediment flow out of the Mississippi River and into the Gulf of Mexico.
Evolutionists say there were ice ages 30,000 and 80,000 years ago to account for lack of sediment that is in basins.
They pick the ages between ice ages based on evidence like the Mississippi sediment that they otherwise could not explain.

Ice caps would have remained huge for hundreds of years.
When icebergs fall off of glaciers into oceans they can float around for 5 years.
Shem - Arphaxad - Salah - Eber - all lived 400 years.
Peleg lived 239 years
Something changed in the days of Peleg

Unstable plates shift
Earth is almost perfectly smooth.
Tallest mountain almost 5 miles - Mt. Everest
On a 8000 mile planet that is only 0.0625%
Q balls have bigger bumps than that.
If you shrunk the earth down to the size of a Q ball it would be smoother and rounder.

If sediments are still soft canyons form easily.
Brice Canyon, UT - pillars sticking way up.
Hard spots on top of pillars are what prevented them from eroding like the rest of the dirt.

Mississippi river basin.
Mississippi trying to change its course again and they are spending a fortune trying to stop it.
Chicago is 600 ft above sea level.
That is 7 ft higher than Pensacola.
600 ft drop in 920 miles is 8 inches per mile.
If you would build a giant dam 600 ft high at end of Mississippi the entire river basin would fill up and Chicago would be on the beach.

Textbooks say it took millions of years to make the Grand Canyon and that is simply not true.
Grand Canyon is a washed out spillway.
River enters the canyon 2800 feet above sea level.
The top of the canyon at its highest rim is 6900 to 8500 feet.
The river only goes through the bottom of the canyon.
Rivers do not go up hill.
Scientists confused because the canyon shows signs that it is an old river but a young canyon.
Looping river indicates a old river.
Steep sides indicate fast young river.

When a river loops it may meet and cut off the loop - called Oxbow lake.
States will usually keep the piece of land that it was originally on even though it is now on the other side of the river.

High gradient - Young or high slope ground
Low gradient - Looping or slow
Grand Canyon shows both.

Liquefaction in Japan
Ground becomes like soup and buildings sink in.
Holland built a dike and drained it for farm land - that is fine.
San Francisco built dike and filled it with dirt for buildings - that becomes a problem in an earthquake when the ground liquefies and the buildings sink.

Mount St. Helens
May of 1980 Mt. St. Helens swelled 100 feet on the North side and they told everyone to evacuate.
60 people did not listen and they died.
Mountain blew off to the side instead of up.
Steam and ash poured out making mud slides.
Ash landed all across the united States.
Coriolis effect took the ash and dumped more of it in places than others.
Hot air rises near the equator and then falls at the poles if the planet was not rotating.
Due the rotation of the earth there are several smaller loops at the 30 degree and 60 degree latitude.
Wind generally will blow toward the equator.
At the equator the wind will stop.
Called 'Horse Latitudes' because when ships would get stuck there the men would have to get out into smaller boats and row the larger boat or they would have to throw the horses overboard because they could not feed them or they would just eat the horses.

Mt. St. Helens ejected 1 cubic km of ejecta.
Ejecta - material ejected.
Mt Krakatoa - loudest noise ever on planet.
1883 it erupted in Indonesia near Vietnam.
Blew entire mountain away - not just the top but the whole mountain.
Sent a wave across the Indian Ocean at 2000 miles per hour.
Hit Madagascar with a 90 ft Tsunami wave.
Killed 36,000 people without warning.

St Helens mud slides did enormous damage.
Ripped trees out of the ground like toothpicks, moved giant boulders, trucks.
Spirit Lake was completely raised.
Pyroclastic flows blocked entire valley and filled it with mud.
Mt. St. Helens had many glaciers on top of it.
Chunks of ice as large as a building were blown into the valley.
As hot mud flows over the ice the ice first shrinks 12% then expands 1700 times.
Explosions were so loud that people thought the mountain was erupting again.
After explosion there would be a giant pit.
The earth slumped back in and created erosion marks on the side.
Some one is going to come in the future and say it took millions of years for those marks to form.
Mudslide buried the river and roads 100 feet deep and blocked all natural established water ways for 23 square miles.
For 22 months there was no established drainage path.
An ice melt caused a mud flow.
March 19 1982 in 9 hours as no one watched the mud flow carved an integrated system and opened water ways back to the Pacific Ocean.
Several canyons were created and some 300 feet deep
One canyon 1000 ft wide and 150 ft deep.

Loggers went in to get the logs.
20 years later there are still thousands of logs laying there.
900 truck loads of trees every day for 7 years were being hauled out of there and they only got 10%.
In Spirit Lake there may be 1 million trees in the lake.
After the eruption the tree logs drift around on Spirit lake.
2000 acres of trees floating on top of the lake.
Thousands of trees floating in the upright position.
Estimated 20,000 trees standing upright in the bottom of the lake that never grew there.

Mt. St. Helens was the equivalent of 1 atomic bomb going off every second it was erupting for 9 hours.
It is considered a small volcano.

Trees float and then sink by species.
Wood density is the same in each tree of the same species so they become water logged at the same rate.
Looks like a forest on the bottom of spirit lake.
Douglas fir trees first than pines than another kind.
They settle in different layers because they sink at different times.
Found all over the world are trees fossilized in the upright position through many layers.
Some trees have the roots at the top of the tree.

Near Santa Barbara petrified forest.
Fish fossils found through many layers of algae
Once the tree is exposed it falls and breaks.
Nova Scotia
Root stubs on trees indicating that they were ripped out of the ground not just petrified in place.
Yellowstone - 27 consecutive layers of trees standing up.
Evolutionists take the age of the trees (500 years) and look at them going threw adjacent layers and then multiply the number of layers by the age of the trees (500x27) and use that as proof the bible is wrong.
Layers are connected by the trees.
One tree goes through layer 1, 2, and 3.
The next tree goes through layer 3, 4, and 5.
The next tree goes through layer 5, 6, and 7.
This indicates they all got stuck in the mud at the same time.

Petrified trees fall and break into logs.
Try to get a newly cut tree to fall and break into logs.
Logs with ax marks on it are found petrified.

Scuba divers go under the floating log mats in Spirit lake.
Logs rub against each other and the bark falls off.
They found 3 feet of bark at the bottom of spirit lake.

Coal can form in a few hours given the right conditions.
Heat, clay, sticks, and water for 36 weeks at 150 degrees can form coal.
Flood laid down debris trail and that formed coal layers.
Coal is found in layers so is a sedimentary deposit.
Salt or sand ploons extending through the coal strips show rapid formation.

National center for science education
80 layers of coal in Midwest - she is right
There is not enough plants on the earth right now to form all the coal found around the world - she is right
That proves it took millions of years - she is wrong
Things were different before the flood.
Trees are bigger, there are more of them, the world is all land and little water.
Two coal seams can be separated by a layer of rock or dirt and then the rock tapers off and the two seams meet.
That proves they were laid down at the same time.
Lens - stone or dirt that tapers off between coal seams

CS 104 - Class 5

Genesis 8:1
[1] And God remembered Noah, and every living thing, and all the cattle that was with him in the ark: and God made a wind to pass over the earth, and the waters asswaged;

Natural gas, coal, oil formed in the flood
Coal found at south pole

Asswaged - drop down - not move away

Flood consisted of - 40 days rain, 150 days water on earth, 150 days water running off.
Noah in the ark for 13 months
Genesis 8:3
[3] And the waters returned from off the earth continually: and after the end of the hundred and fifty days the waters were abated.
Waters returned continually - waves would still come up and down long distances onto the land after oceans had formed.
As the earth raised and oceans wend down they would cause earthquakes and Tsunami's.
Unconformity - A surface between successive strata representing a missing interval in the geologic record of time, and produced either by an interruption in deposition or by the erosion of depositionally continuous strata followed by renewed deposition.
Layers going one direction then going another.
Grand Canyon has this in some places where large amount of water removed layers and then sediment was laid down in different directions including a volcanic layer.
When lava cools under water it forms pillow lava.
Mt Ararat is made of pillow lava - at one point it was completely under water.

Ark rested in the 7th month in the mountains of Ararat.
The waves that were returning on the earth continually could have moved the boat after it had landed.
Ron Wyatt theory that the boat landed and they cut off the drogue stones and then the boat got moved by a wave down into the valley.

Trees can plant them selves by having a seed deposit its self or a branch start to take root or for a floating tree to reattach its self to the ground and start growing.

Over next few hundred years the ice caps melted and retreated.
If you drop the oceans Vietnam and Australia are connected.
The entire world is connected.
Levels of the land are - Continental shelf, Continental Rise, and the abyss.

After the flood people would start building cities near the water and then the oceans would rise.
City's are found under water all the time.
Some would follow the ice caps and hunt the buffalo that roamed.
They didn't carry tool boxes with them so they would make themselves stone tools.
Some tools they made quickly because they only needed them once and others have incredible detail.
Signs of ice being in North East Pennsylvania
Signs of Ice -
Rounded mountains - drumlins
Kettle lakes formed by isostatic rebound
Water gets trapped in the ground because it has no water outlet.
MN full of lakes.(MN Land of 10000 lakes - WI has almost 15000 lakes)
Terminal moraine at end of glaciers
Lateral moraine at sides of glaciers
Matterhorn - glacier cut off both sides

Genesis 10:25
[25] And unto Eber were born two sons: the name of one was Peleg; for in his days was the earth divided; and his brother's name was Joktan.
Peleg - earth divided
Joktan - shortening
Peleg was born 100 years after the flood.
Noah and Shem out lived Peleg
What happened that shortened his life must have been genetic because everyone after him started dieing earlier.

Genesis 47:7-9
[7] And Joseph brought in Jacob his father, and set him before Pharaoh: and Jacob blessed Pharaoh.
[8] And Pharaoh said unto Jacob, How old art thou?
[9] And Jacob said unto Pharaoh, The days of the years of my pilgrimage are an hundred and thirty years: few and evil have the days of the years of my life been, and have not attained unto the days of the years of the life of my fathers in the days of their pilgrimage.
Jacob was considered old at 130 yet even he knew that he had lived a short life.
Shem, Arphaxad, Salem, and Eber could have all known Jacob
400 years is still not long enough to learn everything there is to know about everything.
Metallurgy, woodworking, botany, health, these are all lifetime subjects that you never stop learning.
If you lived 950 years like Noah you could have learned lots of things.

What it means that the earth was divided.
One theory
Languages were confused at Babel and the nations were spread out.
Nimrod built the tower of Babel but does not give a number of years in his genealogy however it is the same number of generations between Noah and Peleg and Nimrod.
Old testament gives Peleg's genealogy because he is the blood line of Christ.
When the languages were mixed that means the the person that knew how to fix your car now does not speak your language and the guy that knows what herbs heal what sickness lives in a different country.

Theory two
The continents were divided in the days of Peleg.
This is unlikely because if the continents moved a few inches everyone would die.

Theory three
Ice melted and the oceans rose and divided the continents

Theory four
Land was surveyed and split up among the nations because there was a large amount of people

Theory three expanded
Cold water absorbs CO2
Soda holds Carbon dioxide better when cold.
CO2 is a greenhouse gas and protects us from radiation.
Increased radiation would increase genetic defects and also decrease lifespan.
Oceans got deeper and colder.
Dry Falls in Washington.
More water went over Dry Falls than every river in the world combined at once.
Now no water flows over the falls.
Ice melts would have formed huge lakes and when the lake breached its top it would quickly form canyons and waterfalls.

English channel only 150 ft deep.
Over 300 miles that is not that steep of a drop. Draw it on some graph paper.
There is a valley between Norway and Scotland that used to be a canyon that is now filled with water.

As the Atlantic ocean fills in it would backfill the Mediterranean Sea.
After the flood they would probably have lots of kids.
More kids means more help rebuilding.
If each family had 40 to 50 kids in the 400 years of their life then thousands of people would be on the earth in a few hundred years.
They would build city's and as the water came up they would get flooded.
Ancient Egyptian city found under 30 ft of water.
Lots of cities found under water.
The black sea would be the last to fill in from the overflow of the Mediterranean.
Years ago they found many city's 150 ft under the Black sea and said that is proof of the local flood of Noah.

Satan has twisted our minds to see canyons and fossils as signs of millions of years instead of a sign of how much God hates sin.

Limestone is responsive to acid.
Muriatic acid dissolves concrete.
Strip mines dig layers of coal out of the ground.
Coal is found in layer of coal, layer of rock, layer of coal, layer of rock, layer of coal, layer of rock, etc.

Picture of fish eating smaller fish.
Fish found buried in fear - scales pointed up
Fish can drown and suffocate.
Fish eating other fish before flood proof that animals were not vegetarian before the flood.
Fossils formed during and after flood not before.
Fish are not considered alive according to the biblical standard.
Insects are also not living - Adam steps on an ant is not considered killing another animal.

Harry Truman - Lived on Mt St. Helens for 80 years and would not leave when the volcano was ready to erupt.
He died on the volcano and is still there probably under 100 feet of dirt.

Just like Harry Truman we were also given a warning about what to do wit our lives.
The end of the world is coming - we should be out there telling the gospel.

Seminar 7

God wants us to learn, study, and be ready to give an answer.

1 Peter 3:15
[15] But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear:
2 Timothy 2:5
[5] And if a man also strive for masteries, yet is he not crowned, except he strive lawfully.

Don't all scientists believe in evolution?
If your definition of a scientist is someone that believes in evolution than that is true.
Mormon - You can not achieve Godliness unless you are a Mormon.
Same with Jehovah Witnesses and most other religions.

John 7:40-49
[40] Many of the people therefore, when they heard this saying, said, Of a truth this is the Prophet. [41] Others said, This is the Christ. But some said, Shall Christ come out of Galilee? [42] Hath not the scripture said, That Christ cometh of the seed of David, and out of the town of Bethlehem, where David was? [43] So there was a division among the people because of him. [44] And some of them would have taken him; but no man laid hands on him. [45] Then came the officers to the chief priests and Pharisees; and they said unto them, Why have ye not brought him? [46] The officers answered, Never man spake like this man. [47] Then answered them the Pharisees, Are ye also deceived? [48] Have any of the rulers or of the Pharisees believed on him? [49] But this people who knoweth not the law are cursed.

Many believed and many did not
Officers said "Never man spake like this man"

People were divided over a question of where he was born when that was not the right question.
Arguing about the wrong thing because they did not have knowledge.

Chief priests sent the officers instead of going themselves.
Professors will send students with a list of questions.

Officers "Never man spake like this man"
Students - he answered all the questions reasonably

Chief priests get mad and insult the officers.
Professors say "you should have then said XYZ".

Then answered them the Pharisees, Are ye also deceived?
Are you dumb?

Have any of the rulers or of the Pharisees believed on him?
No scientists believe creation so it is not true.

Creationist work is never published in major science journals so therefore it is not scientific.
Anything that has a hint of creation or intelligent design gets kicked out.

Russia 15 years ago if a teacher stood up and said "I don't think communism works. I think capitalism is a better idea." He would be living in Siberia if he survived.
Communists then say "Communism must be a good idea because no one is speaking out against it."

Majority opinion means nothing to determine who is right or wrong.
Many scientists are creationists.

Robert Gentry lost his job at Oakridge National Laboratory because he became a creationist.
His job was to find safe places to store radioactive waste underground.
While looking at slices of granite he noticed radio polonium halos inside the granite.
He was published in all sorts of secular science journals until they realized that what he had found was proving that the big bang could not have happened.

Roger DeHart, hounded out of his job with the Burlington-Edison (Wash.) School District for daring to take a critical attitude toward Darwinian dogma and encouraging his students to do likewise.

Kevin Haley was a biology professor at Oregon Community College until the administration chose not to renew his contract. His only crime: to expose students to flaws in evolutionary theory.

William Dembski fired from Baylor University - large Baptist university - for advocating intelligent design.

Forrest Mims published in over 60 science journals but was denied a job at Scientific American because he was a creationist.

They turn away all creation articles and then ask as a proving question how many creationist are published in science journals.

Author of "Of Pandas and People" when he got saved they tried to fire him but because he was working there for 20 years and they could not fire him they demoted him to lab assistant, a job usually given to students.
He used to write the text books.

Evolutionists try using the law to fight creation.

[49] But this people who knoweth not the law are cursed.
"We are smart, You are dumb"

Nicodemus at least went and thought about it before condemning Jesus.
There is more peer pressure in scientific circles than in a 7th grade class room.
Almost every branch of science was started by a creationist.

Separation of church and state.
There is no such thing in the constitution.
Amendment I
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

The term "separation of church and state" was found in a letter written by Thomas Jefferson to a baptist pastor Danbury in 1802.
The letter described the one way wall that kept the state out of churches and not the churches out of the state.

The same day that they voted the 10 amendments into the constitution they also voted and approved $500 to be sent to a Catholic priest to help the Indians in St. Louis.
These men were for the state helping churches and churches being involved in the state.
Many churches have given up their status of being churches and become 501(c)3 corporations and therefore are under the control of the government.

CS 104 - Class 6
Separation of church and state
The Bible and creation can be taught in public schools.
There has never been a law against it.
You can not try to proselytize or convert a student to your faith while being paid by the state.
You can talk about and read the bible.

Government has no jurisdiction over churches so they can not tax them or require them to get building permits.
Pastors were the rabble rousers in the revolutionary war.

How do we see stars billions of miles away.

Nehemiah 9:6
[6] Thou, even thou, art LORD alone; thou hast made heaven, the heaven of heavens, with all their host, the earth, and all things that are therein, the seas, and all that is therein, and thou preservest them all; and the host of heaven worshippeth thee.

If stars evolved star births should be greater than star deaths.
If deaths are greater that the births than the population goes extinct.
Novas and Super-Novas
Stars have been seen blowing up every 20-30 years.
No one has ever seen a star form.
ICR September 1998 article
Why do we only see 300 super nova rings?

Bright spot seen getting brighter does not mean a star is forming it just means the dust is clearing.
Brownian motion would prevent gases from getting together and forming a star.
Gases would need energy to press them together.
It would take the energy of 20 stars going nova next to each other to create one new star.
Stars were made on day 4.
Evolution has stars made before the earth while bible has earth before stars.

God knows the number of each star in the sky - not just the number of stars.
Psalms 147:4
[4] He telleth the number of the stars; he calleth them all by their names.
He also knows the number of the hairs on your head.
Everyone on earth could own two trillion stars to themselves.
Hubble telescope focused in on a spot close to the North star that they thought was empty the size of a grain of salt at arms length.
After 10 days they found more stars than they could count in that one spot.
Steven Hawking (Evolutionist) said
Stars are so far away that even the closest star through the most powerful telescope just looks like a dot. You can not see the shape or orbit only the color of light it emits.
They say the sun is a medium sized star however they do not know how big other stars are.

Copper burns green.
Different metals burn different colors.
How do you tell distance?
From trigonometry you can determine an unknown distance with two angles and one side of the triangle.
Earth is 8000 miles in diameter - too small to make any measurements.
Take one measurement in January and another in June.
The earth is 1 AU away from the sun.
It takes 8 minutes for sunlight to reach the earth.
The measurement of the earths orbit would be 16 light minutes.
Earths atmosphere bends light so you can see the sun after it is below the horizon and in the morning it is over the horizon before you can actually see it.

Super cold ice may become fiber optic and a photo amplifier - you would be able to see stars more clearly and hear sounds put off by the electromagnetic spectrum.
Not provable but interesting theory.
Canopy would compress air and make less distortion.
Hot air expanding off highways makes ripples in air.
If the canopy limited the 200 mile atmosphere to 20 miles you would have less distortion.

365.2422 days in a year.
Every 4 years you need to add a day except every 100 years where you do not.
Year 2000 should have been a leap year but it was not.
365.2422 x 24 x 60 = 525948.768 minutes in a year
16 light minutes of distance the earth travels in 1/2 million of earth minutes
To measure equivalent of 1 light year you could take two surveyors and put them 16 inches away on a roof and focus on a point 1/2 million inches away (8 1/4 miles).
How accurate could they measure? And that is only 1 light year.
Light year is a time not a distance.
6 trillion miles are in 1 light year.
That measurement would be 0.017 degrees on a protractor.
Try to mark off 0.1 degree on a protractor.
100 light years away would be 0.00017 degrees.
They say they can measure start that are 17 Billion light years away.
That assumes the earth is in the exact same place it was 6 months ago.
Space has no reference points.
Get distance to moon by trigonometry.
Parallax trigonometry.
Close one eye and hold thumb in front of you. Switch eyes and the thumb movement can be calculated by parallax trigonometry.
Distance to sun can be calculated using the known distance to the moon.
Most text books say that we can measure distances up to 100 light years.
It is doubtful that they can measure that far but we will give it to them because they still can not measure billions of light years.

Evolutionists will answer questions like high school students on a test where they do not know the answer.
They will give long answers that never actually answer the question.

No one knows exactly what light is.
Give me a jar of it and paint it red and weigh it.
Light is attracted by gravity that means light is not a constant.

Who measures the star distances and using what?
Is it a Stanley or Craftsman and who held the other end?

Black hole
Light is attracted by gravity.
If light is attracted by gravity than light speed is not a constant.

Escape velocity from the earth is 18-20,000 mph.
Any slower than that and you would fall back.
Moon has less gravity so the escape velocity is much lower.
If it was the same mass as earth than it would require as much fuel to leave the moon as to leave earth.
The problem with colonies on Venus and Mars is that the planets would require so much fuel to get off that it would be impossible to leave.
Black hole has so much mass that the escape velocity is the speed of light.
Earth escape velocity is 7 miles per second.

Problem with black hole is that if you can not see it you can not prove it is there.
They are probably real but not provable.
No one can prove there are planets around another stars because we can not even see the closest star.
They can only see the wobble of a star and guess that it is caused by planets pulling on the star.

In 1999 light was slowed down to 38 mph by cooling it to 50 billionths of a degree above absolute zero.
Absolute zero is 0 deg K, -456 F, or -273 C
Space is -453 F.
February 2000 light was slowed down to 1 mph
January 2001 light was stopped.
Article written saying how speeding up the speed of light could increase the speed of computers that are now limited by how fast electrons can flow.
People say that if they could travel at the speed of light they would visit the stars.
You would be an old man by the time you got to the first one.
What if you could travel at the speed of thought?
You could be there instantly (or may never get there depending on how fast you think).
How long does it take for your prayers to reach heaven?
Angles can go back and forth instantly.
We think in 3 dimensions.
What if heaven is just in a different dimension only 1/2 second in the future?

June 2000 - Scientists have broken the ultimate speed barrier.
They have accelerated light to 300 times faster.

In the last 300 years there have been 164 measurements of the speed of light using 16 different methods.
Time it takes for star light to reach us from moon.
Laser up and down hallway with spinning disco ball.
Speed of light has decreased so rapidly that experimental error can not account for it.
Speed of light decreased until 1960 when it leveled out.
In 1960 they started using the atomic clock as the method of telling time.

There are no physical laws that prevent the speed of light from being changed.

The atomic clock measures time by using the wavelength of a cesium atom.
9192631770 cycles of a cesium atom is equal to one second.
If you are measuring the speed of light with light then you have a rubber ruler.
Atomic clocks are very precise but not accurate.
Speed of light would have to have been 10 billion times faster at time zero according to the big bang theory to make light have reached the earth by now.
Walt Brown's book has chapter on atomic clocks.

Dr. V.S. Troitskii - speed of light was 10,000 times faster

When the creation was finished they could have seen the stars.
How old was Adam in the garden? - 0
How old did Adam look? - 48?
How old were the trees?
How old did they look?
Did they have rings?
Rings give trees strength and flexibility.
That is why we go through hard times and good times and hard times and good times and hard times and good times is because it gives us strength and flexibility.
God did not put two babies in the garden and give them seeds and tell them to get planting something because they are going to want dinner.
Chicken or the egg - what came first? - The chicken
Tree or the seed - what came first? - The tree

Light year is a distance not a time.
Just because stars are 10 billion light years away it does not mean the universe is 10 billion years old.
Star distance can be measured by redshift or Cepheid variables.
Light through prism creates ROYGBIV light spectrum.
Star moving away creates a red shift.

Train going past creates a higher pitch while approaching and lower while going away.
Doppler effect.
Assumption is that the Doppler effect works on light too.
They say that a star is coming closer the light compresses and when a star is moving away the light stretches out causing a redshift.
Sounds good and is possibly true but no one knows for sure.
There is little relation between the brightness of QSO (quasi-stellar object - quasar) and the redshift.
It is possible that the redshift has nothing to do with the movement or distance of stars.
They look at the movement of all stars and say they all appear to be moving away so there must have been together for a big bang.

Science news September 1995 - The universe appears to be 8.4 billion years old.
How do they come up with these numbers?
To calculate the age of the universe one of the multipliers in the equations is the Hubble constant.
Using the Hubble telescope at Cambridge university they developed a two step method to estimate a Hubble constant.
They observed a standard candle known as a Cepheid variables to measure distance to M16 galaxy.
You can come up with huge errors using the Hubble constant.
Even the nearest Cepheid is so remote that it can not be determined the absolute distance.
They use faintness or brightness to estimate how far away a star is.
The logic is flawed because brightness can be dimmed by a cloud or something else blocking its path.

Bible says God stretched out the heavens - that could cause redshift.
Light could be getting tired - everything else does.
Maybe it is the Doppler effect.
It may be caused by gravity - if a black hole is real they may be sling shotting the light around them and distorting it.

Is there the gospel in the stars? May be true may not be.
Dr James Kennedy - The Meaning of the Zodiac.
There are 88 constellations.
Some are mentioned in the bible.
Zodiac could be completely heathen or it could have been that God revealed the gospel in the stars to Adam.
When I look up in the sky I see a bunch of dots not animals.
Virgo the virgin brings forth a son.
Libra going to be the judge.
Today it has been perverted into horoscopes.
There are 12 major constellations and each has a minor constellation.
Some say the Sphinx is a guide to tell us how to read the stars.

CS 104 - Class 7

Why did God use a flood? Why not just kill all the bad people?

Flood leaves evidence. Miracles do not.
Effects of the flood still are around to remind us.
Looking at fossils should remind us of death and suffering and that God hates sin.
Satan has twisted this to make people think of evolution.
Building an ark gives people time to repent.
1 Peter 3:20
[20] Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.

Is the sun shrinking?
Recorded measurements of the sun over the past 150 years indicate the sun is shrinking.
Evolutionists say this is because sun oscillates - it shrinks than expands.
An average of 5 feet of diameter the sun is loosing per hour.
This is not in Seminar 1 any more because no one really knows how the sun is burning.
It could be due to gravitational collapse and the heat created by gravity keeps it burning.
Another theory is that the sun burns with nuclear fusion.
Problem is that the sun should then be emitting neutrinos.
Neutrinos are so small they should pass through anything including the earth.
When they go through dry cleaning fluid they create argon gas.
Scientists took a old mine in bottom of mountain and created a giant tank to capture neutrinos.
Deep underground prevents surface neutrinos from interfering.
After several years they found very few neutrinos and concluded that they didn't know how the sun was burning.

Sun shrinking 5 ft per hour diameter not radius.
In billions of years it would be touching the earth.
Sun is loosing mass at 5,000,000 (five million) tons per second.
As the sun looses mass it decreases its gravitational pull so in the past the pull must have been stronger.
Sun could not have been burning for billions of years and always had earth in the perfect orbit the entire time for life to form.
Carbon Dating
Earths atmosphere is somewhere between 100-200 miles thick.
That is very thin on the scale of a 8000 mile earth.
Highest point we can breathe is 4-5 miles up.
Mt. Everest is 5 miles high and is extremely difficult to breathe up there.
Solar radiation is striking the atmosphere constantly.
Earths atmosphere is made of
78% Nitrogen (Inert - non combustible)
21% Oxygen
0.06% Carbon Dioxide
0.000765% Radioactive Carbon 14
Radioactive carbon mixes with Carbon Dioxide.
CO2 does not care if the carbon is radioactive or not.

Sunlight hitting the atmosphere changes nitrogen to carbon 14.
Carbon is usually 12.
Insects are found in sap and there is air bubbles trapped with them.
There is 35% oxygen in the air bubbles compared to 21% in air today.
There was more oxygen in the past.
Carbon has atomic weight of 12
Atomic number is 6 - 6 protons and 6 neutrons
Electrons considered weightless.
Sunlight hits nitrogen and knocks off a proton and neutron and forms carbon 14.
C14 has a half life of 5730 years.
As electrons fly off they can be heard by a Geiger counter and in 5730 years 1/2 of the amount of C14 will turn back into nitrogen or to carbon 12.

Plants take in carbon dioxide and break it down into a simple sugar and oxygen.
They use the simple sugar to produce leaves, branches, etc. and the oxygen they release.
The CO2 then becomes part of its tissue.
Table sugar is a complex sugar - it gives you energy but takes more energy from your body to break it down.
Honey is a simple sugar that is easy to break down and is will give you more energy that other sugars because it is a simple sugar.

The odds are you have eaten a plant or eaten an animal that has eaten a plant sometime in your life.
C14 becomes part of the food chain.
Theory is that the ratio of C14 to C12 should be the same in the atmosphere as it is in plants and animals.
Reasonable assumption but has never been proved.
When a plant or animal dies it stops taking in C14.

Willard Libby - 1947 got the idea to use radioactive carbon to date things.
Since amount of C14 in air never changes (Mistake # 1) we should be able to tell how old animals and plants are by the amount of C14 in them still.
Sounds good but doesn't work.
C14 never goes to zero.
The half life will go from 1/2 to 1/4 to 1/8 to 1/16 to 1/32 on and on forever till there is so little left that you can not date it anymore.
30,000 - 50,000 years is the maximum time for carbon dating to work.
Assumptions that mess up everything -
1. Has the amount of C14 in the atmosphere always been the same?
We can measure the amount today real precisely.
How much was in the atmosphere 1000 years ago?
Ron Cooper had an article saying C14 has not yet reached equilibrium.
If you are trying to fill a bucket and the bucket has holes in it the water level will come up and start flowing out of one of the holes then two and eventually there will be the same amount of water flowing out as flowing in.
This is equilibrium.
Same as your check book - same amount goes in as goes out.

Sun shines equally on every part of the earth.
The earth spins and orbits the sun so at some point in the year everything has had an equal amount of time in the sun.

A brand new earth going around the sun starts making C14 and at the same time it starts to decay.
With some complicated math you can calculate how long it will take for the earth to reach equilibrium.
Most people agree it is around 30,000 years.
Willard Libby says -
We know earth is millions of years old (Mistake #1) so we can ignore the equilibrium problem (Mistake #2).
It has been discovered that the earth has not yet reached the equilibrium point.
There is more C14 now than there was 100 years ago.

If we dig up a fossil from 1000 years ago it would read older than it actual was because it has less carbon 14 in it.
This not only disproves evolution but puts a crimp in the Day Age theory and Gap Theory.

C14 gives off about 16 clicks on a Geiger counter per minute per gram.
8 clicks a minute means that it is 5730 years old.
4 clicks per minute means it is 11460 years old.

If you walk into a room and see a candle burning.
How long was it burning?
Do some empirical science - can be tested, measured, weighed, etc.
Measure it - 7" tall
Rate of burn - 1" per hour
Can you tell how long it was burning? - NO
You still need to know how long it was to start with and has it always burned at the same rate.

If you dig up a fossil you can measure how much C14 is in it now and you can measure the current rate of decay but that is it.
A canopy of water would block short wave radiation (UV light) and allow long wave radiation (Visible light) to pass through.
That would also prevent C14 from forming.
Pre-flood animals die and are buried and now dug up and measured and have almost no C14 left.
That is because they had barely any to start with.
We assume that it started at 16 clicks and since it now is at 0 it must be 30,000 years old.
The flood destroyed and changed everything.

1963 Living mollusk shells dated 2,300 years old.
1971 Freshly killed seal dated 1,300 years old.
Evolutionists claim they know this one is wrong because those snails lived in a stream that had lots of lime stone and the stone was rich in carbon and the snails absorbed the carbon by drinking the water and that is why they are off.
If all these ones are wrong how can we know any is right?
1973 One part of Dima (Baby frozen mammoth) was 40,000 years old and another 26,000 years old and the wood surrounding it was 9-10,000 years old
Evolutionists say that the mammoth was contaminated because there was flowing water through it and washed out some of the C14.
How can you say any are true?
1949 Harold Anthony lower leg was 15,000 years old and the skin 21,000 years.
1992 Two Colorado Creek, AK mammoths found next to each other. One dated 22,000 years and the other 16,000 years.
Living penguin 8,000 years old.
Oldest human skeleton remains were dated using a mass spectrometer and were less than 5000 years old.
Dinosaur bones have been carbon dated at 34,000 years old.
If you tell them they are dinosaur bones they will not date them because they are too old.
Hugh Miller took dinosaur bones in and did not tell them what they were and got a date of under 20,000 years old.

Java man - changed to Pithecanthropus erectus - now called homo erectus.
Eugène Dubois went to Trinil in 1891 in Indonesia looking for the missing link.
Hardly a impartial observer.
Found small part of a skull cap from an ape or monkey, found 3 human teeth and 1 year later came back and found a hip bone 50 feet away - put it all together and called it Java man.
Concluded that he had found a half human half ape animal.
He did not tell anyone that he also found 3 perfectly normal human skulls in the same area and he hid them under the floor boards under his bed.
If you are going to spend all your time digging in the dirt you want people to think you are doing something important.

Recently at Berkeley university they used two different dating methods to re-date homo erectus fossils.
He got the results that they were 53,000 years old at the most and 27,000 years old at the least.
Contemporary with modern humans.
Homo erectus was thought to be 250,000 years old.
That is a 96% margin of error.

If you date a sample of known age it doesn't work but if you date a sample of unknown age it is assumed to work.

When something decays it releases alpha or beta particles and produces helium.
Helium gets trapped in caves or underground.
Miners used to take canaries into caves with them to see if air had deadly gas.
Helium will eventually reach the surface then into the atmosphere.
How much helium can escape through the atmosphere?
Including all factors there is less than 2 million years of helium in the atmosphere.
Put water in a pot and it will evaporate because surface molecules are rubbing against each other and will eventually jump out.
When the water is boiling they are rubbing much faster and they jump out much easier.
Earths atmosphere gets struck with sunlight and moves air around and causes molecules to pop off however the nearest object is earth so they tend to fall back to the earth by gravity.

Geologic column is how they date fossils not carbon dating.
When something is completely fossilized it has no carbon left in it because it has all been replaced with minerals from the ground.
They only can date things like wood, charcoal, frozen animals, etc.

In the last two years an absolute date for the Ngandong beds just above the Trinil beds has been obtained. It has the interesting date of 300,000 years - plus or minus 300,000 years.
They hid the nail right on the head. I'll go with 4,400 years.
1969 moon rocks were brought back.
Genesis rock was broken into 6 pieces and dated several times.
They came up with a date of 2.5 billion to 4.6 billion years old.
That is almost 100% error.
James Dawson -
He worked on the Genesis rock and said it dated anywhere between 10,000 years and several billion years.
They settled on the date of 3.5 billion years because that was what they were teaching in the text books as the age of the earth.

Potassium Argon dating
Potassium 40 has a much longer half life - about 1.3 billion years
Who watched it for 1.3 billion years?
They can tell how many molecules are decaying by listening to Geiger clicks or other instruments and count them to determine its half life.
How do we know the decay has always been the same?
How much was in the sample to start with?
There is less than 1% Argon in the atmosphere.
Potassium decays into argon.
Theory is that hot lava drives all argon out and when it cools only the potassium is left.
If we take a lava flow that has no argon in it at time zero (Mistake #1) we then count the K+Ar and determine its age.

Find a layer of ash - animals below the ash are older than the lava flow
Above that layer is a layer of dirt than another layer of ash.
The fossils found between the two layers have to be between the dates of the two lava flows.
Event Horizon - Significant event such as volcanic eruption.
Ash layers dated
Sounds good but dosen't work.

KBS Tuff
Tuff = ash layer
Discovered by Kay Behrensmeyer
Accepted date determined to be 212-230 million years old
Scientists would have arguments in different scientific journals saying they knew the best age for the KBS tuff and their methods were the best but they all fell within the accepted date range.

1972 Richard Leakey discovered a normal human skull under the KBS tuff.
First they try to discredit it.
They tried to say maybe he fell down a crack and wound up buried there.
KNM-ER 1470 - Normal human skull found in rock too old
KNM ER - Scientific way of naming fossils that give where, who, and what was found.
Finally they determine that it was not an accident of fraud but that the person actually lived there.

1. Aliens visited the planet 200 billion years ago
2. Layers of rock not as old as they thought.
They re-dated the KBS tuff
The entire geologic column is a house of cards.
One date is based on another which is based on another which is based on another.
Skull was dated 2.9 million years old.
The KBS tuff re-dated at .5 to 2.64 million years old.
1. That is still way down from 200 million
2. They would never have re-dated it if they did not find the skull. How many other dates are wrong?
They had a 9000% error.
The new dates still leave a 500% error.
They call this science? This is fairytale stuff.
1770 - George Buffon was one person that started teaching the earth was older than 6000 years.
He said Earth was 70,000 years old.
1905 Newsweek July 1998 Earth 2 billion years old
1969 - Minneapolis Tribune said earth is 3.5 billion years old.
Today - earth 4.6 billion years old
One text book said 4.65 billion years old.
Earth is getting older at the rate of 21 million years per year for the last 200 years or 40 years per minute.

Wild dates are often gotten that do not match geologic column and are thrown out.
If they do match the geologic column they get published.
Why do they date them in the first place?
Potassium decays into Argon
Uranium decays into lead.
All these are going down hill.
Why do we never observe anything getting better.
Mt Etna Sicily - basalt from a volcanic flow that occurred in 122BC was K-Ar dated to 250,000 years old.
They check the argon to potassium ratio - what if some of the argon leaked out?
Hawaiian 1801 lava flow K-Ar dated to 1.6 million years old
They admit some dates are wrong.
How can we tell if any dates are right?
Mt Kilauea Ika Hawaii erupted in 1959 gave a date of 8.5 million years old
Same volcano erupted again in 1964 gave date of 700,000 years old
Again in 1972 dated 350,000 years old.
Mt. St Helens in 1980 grew new lava dome and when tested gave date of .35 - 2.8 million years old.

Fresh dinosaur bones.
Do we find "fresh" dinosaur bones?
Book - The Great Alaskan Dinosaur Adventure
They dug down and found bones, some were petrified and some were light weight.
December 24 1993, Journal of science - Amazing preservation of duck billed dinosaur found in Montana.
Bones preserved so finely that the cells could be seen and compared to chicken cells.
Bylot Island - Newfoundland - found lower part of duck bill dinosaur jaw - it too was in fresh condition, not fossilized.
North West Alaska 1961 - bed of dinosaur bones found unpermineralized.

Dinosaur heart found.
Time magazine for kids April 27 2000.
4 chambered heard of dinosaur.
If dinosaurs evolved to birds the heart is one thing that would need to evolve.
Reptiles have a 3 chambered heart.
Birds have a 4 chambered heart.
They work completely different.
Reptile 3 chambered heart has a chamber where the oxygenated blood mixes with the unoxygenated blood.
This is why reptiles can not run long distances because they do not get as much oxygen as mammals with 4 chambered hearts.

CS 104 - Class 8

Fresh dinosaur bones.
Now there is a real controversy on weather it is a heart or not.
How could anything survive a change from a 3 chambered to a 4 chambered heart?
Why are there so few human fossils found?
Book - Bones of Contention
There have been 4000 human remains found.
Trillions of fish fossils are found and billions of plants and animals.
At the time of creation when God created the world it was full of fish, plants, and animals and only 2 people.
2000 years later at the flood it was even more full of fish, plants, and animals but still not that many people.
There could have been as many as 1/2 billion people pre-flood but there is no way to know for sure.
People may have had huge families - 200 children.
The purpose of the flood was to destroy man.
Genesis 6:7
[7] And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.
Genesis 6:4
[4] There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.
On the earth in those days people grew taller than today.
Since the people digging for bones have a preconceived notion that man was smaller and are getting bigger and smarter if they find a leg bone from a 12' tall person they would not think it was human.
Giant bones have been found.
The government of Turkey claims they have found Noah's grave and Noah is 12' tall.
1. Less people were on the earth to be killed.
2. People were smarter so they would be the last to die and would wind up on the surface and rot instead of be buried.
Millions of buffalo were killed on the planes to try to starve out the Indians.
How many of them were fossilized?
None of them - they all roted.
Fossils have to be buried to fossilize.
Most fossils formed in the flood of Noah.
3. If humans were bigger they would probably not be recognized as human due to the finders preconceived ideas.

Where did the pitch from? Isn't pitch made from oil?
Pitch is a thick tenacious substance made from pine trees.
There was an entire industry making pitch long before the first oil well.
1828 in Pennsylvania the first commercial oil well was drilled.
They had wooden ships long before that.
Today you can boil pine tree sap and make all sorts of products.
Websters 1928 dictionary defined pitch as resin of pine or turpentine used in caulking of ships and paying the bottom and sides.

Was ancient man primitive?
Book - Puzzle of Ancient man
In Columbia South America they found a plane in a 1000 year old grave.
Smithsonian called it a stylized insect.
Airplane found in 2100 year old Egyptian tomb.
There are 20,000 ton stones stacked in place.
Today the largest cranes can only lift 3,000 tons.
Iron pot and bell are found in coal.
Ship that sunk in 100BC had a analog computer onboard.
Iraq a ancient battery was found.

Brain surgery marks found on skulls and some that have healed over proving they lived.
Metalic spheres found with 3 lines going around the equator.
Found in 2.8 billion year old layer in south Africa.
Hundreds of these spheres have been found in the bottom of a mine.

Book - Hidden History of the Human Race
Written by Michael Cremo (Hindu)
He believes in evolution so when something is found in 2.8 billion year old rock he believes it was put there 2.5 billion years ago possibly by aliens.

Coso artifact found in 1961 in California.
4300 ft above sea level
340 ft above dry Owens lake.
Porcelain with wire running through the center.
Thought to be 1000 years old
Very similar to a super conductor capacitor.

Nano-technology spiral shaped objects found in Russia by rivers and streams near Moscow.
3-12 meters under water level.
Range in size from 0.003mm (1/10,000th of an inch) to 1.5 inches
Spiral is in the golden ratio.
Made of copper or tungsten and molybdenum.
Melting point from 4740 F to 6100 F.
How did they make these?
Pre-flood not only smarter but better eye sight.

Great pyramid
67 pyramids and 66 are copies of the great pyramid.
All the rest have hieroglyphics saying who built the pyramid except the great pyramid.
May be an Egyptian building or an alter to God.
Isaiah 19:19
[19] In that day shall there be an altar to the LORD in the midst of the land of Egypt, and a pillar at the border thereof to the LORD.
Largest building in the world by volume.
Take the next 99 largest volume buildings in the world and they together would not be the same volume.
Pyramid 480 feet tall.
Some of the stones are 70 tons.
How do you get 70 ton stones 400 feet off the ground?
Door not discovered until 800AD
Oldest Egyptian records say they do not know where it came from.
Stones so perfectly cut that a piece of paper could not be fit inbetween.
There are two paths - narrow way to the kings chamber and broad way to the pit.
Was covered in 144,000 casing stones. (interesting number)
Revelation - 144,000 Jews saved.
Chief corner stone never put in place.
Some say Adam made it, some Noah or Enoch.
Kings chamber has an empty tomb with same volume as the ark of the covenant.
Jesus Christ is the chief corner stone.
5 sides is same number as grace.
Corner stone is useless until it is needed - can't put anything on it or use it as a table.
Daniel 2:34
[34] Thou sawest till that a stone was cut out without hands, which smote the image upon his feet that were of iron and clay, and brake them to pieces. Occult symbol on the $1 bill.
Desert behind the pyramid and green plants in front symbol of how they are going to make the wasteland better.
Right eye at top - symbol of Lucifer

Was Earth ever a molten mass?
Bible says earth created under water.
Robert Gentry - polonium halos
Found in granite all over the world.
Polonium atoms decay and explode creating miniature spheres.
If the rock was molten then the sphere would dissipate in the liquid rock.

Global Warming
Most people worried about global warming live near beach.
Ice caps melt and the water rises.
Environmental movement front for communists to take away your liberty's.

Green river formation
Strata of rock with millions of thin layers.
Stone contains layers of pollen only produced in the spring and pollen only produced in the fall.
Millions of layers of spring - fall - spring - fall means millions of years.
Take a chunk of several layers and crush it up and put it in water.
It will form layers again.

Mars Rock.
Life here came from Mars.
Mars lander ran many tests and did not find even a trace of a germ.
Rock ALH001,0
Looked at it under a microscope and saw squiggly line.
Mars is .5 AU away.
Something large enough to hit mars and send a chunk to the earth would have created so much heat on impact it would have destroyed any sign of life.
Wouldn't re-entry to earth have destroyed any sign of life?
Couldn't sitting in Antarctica for thousands of years contaminated the sample?
There is no poof it was from Mars.
46 Million miles away
Claim it broke off 16 million years ago and landed 13,000 years ago.
Hod did the bacteria survive the explosion, freezing space, and re-entry?
What did they eat for thousands of years?
While this was going on NASA grant money was stalled in congress.
Congress was not going to approve vote to spend millions for NASA.
They had th rock in storage for 7 years previous and pulled it out and said it was from Mars to get the funding.
Once the money was released they admitted to making a mistake and that it was not life but pyroxene and carbonate crystals that form naturaly.

Bible says Eve is the mother of all living
Theistic evolution - maybe God used evolution
Hugh Ross says he is not a Theistic Evolutionist but he believes many of the same things they do.
Could God have used evolution?
Not the God of the bible.
It is against the teaching in the bible.
Jacque Monod - Survival of the fittest is cruel and evil. It is a blind and most cruel way of selecting new species and is against modern ethics. I am surprised that a Christian would believe in this process. An ideal society is a non-selective one.

The God of evolution is not the protestant waste not want not God of the bible. He is also not a loving God that cares about his work. Certainly not a God that anyone would want to prey to.

Genesis 2 - God ended his work of creating.
It is not an ongoing process.
Death before sin.
1 Corinthians 15:21-22
[21] For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead. [22] For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

God made Adam in his image from the dust of the ground and made Eve from Adam's rib.
God of evolution is stupid and not a real God because he can not do it right the first time.
Evolution nullifies the need for Christ since Christ was redeeming us from our sins.
There is no evidence anyway.
Why compromise a perfectly good Bible when it has never been proven wrong.

Has the pope ever accepted evolution?
Yes, but I wouldn't believe any pope.
Pope John Paul III sold cyanide to the Germans during WWII and after the war feared for his life so he hid as a priest.

Are there contradictions in the bible?
It depends on what bible you use.
There are none in the KJV.

Genesis 1 Genesis 2
Birds on Day 5 Birds on day 6
Birds from water Birds from dirt
Animals before man Animals after man

Genesis 1 is the account of the entire creation. Genesis 2 is a description of what happened in the Garden of Eden after Adam was made.

Day 6 God made Adam, trees, one of each animal, and women.
God did it all in front of Adam so he would know God was the creator and so he could choose a wife.
Eve was the only one that did not see God create anything so Satan came to her.
1 Timothy 2:14
[14] And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.
Adam was not tricked but became sin to save Eve.

Solomons brass bowl.
5 cubits high, 30 cubits circumference, 10 cubits diameter.
Math is wrong - should be 31.4 cubit circumference.
Thickness was a handbredth
Hand to cubit ratio is .14.
Inside circumference was 30 cubits outside diameter was 10 cubits math works.

2 Chronicles 9 and 1 Kings 4
How many horses did Solomon have?
forty thousand stalls of horses for his chariots
four thousand stalls for horses and chariots
40,000 horses - 4,000 stalls
Two authors telling the same story.
10 horses per chariot
Horses get shot as much as people.

2 Samuel 10
the men of seven hundred chariots
1 Chronicles 19
seven thousand men which fought in chariots
There were 10 men per chariot
Many new versions have messed it up by trying to fix it.
NIV 4000 stalls 12000 horses
NAS - Correct
NRSV - Wrong

Peter Ruckman - The "Errors" in the King James Bible.
He defends 500 supposed contradictions in the KJV bible.
Leviticus - Rabbits do not eat cud.
Rabits eat their food, partially digest it then after they pass it they eat it again.
Acts 12:4 - Easter
Shouldn't it be passover?
Exodus 12 - This month should be the first month of the year for you. The 10th day (April 10) take a lamb, keep it till the 14th day (April 14) and kill it and put blood on top and sides of doorway.
First passover was at night.
Lord's Passover 14th of April.
This day should be a memorial for you and a feast.
Seven days should you eat unleavened bread.
Numbers 28:16-17
[16] And in the fourteenth day of the first month is the passover of the LORD. [17] And in the fifteenth day of this month is the feast: seven days shall unleavened bread be eaten.

Passover first, then days of unleavened bread.
Ishtar - (Easter) pagan festival symbolized spring, rebirth, bunnies, playboy, fertility.
Peter was arrested during days of unleavened bread.
After passover Herod wanted to kill him at easter

Genesis 10 - God divided language
Genesis 11 - world of one language
Like a newspaper headline - Bus crash kills 40 - The bus was driving down the road....
Genesis 10 tells the main point and Genesis 11 elaborates on it.

1 Corinthians 23000 die in one day
Numbers 25 24000 died
1000 died on a different day

Textus Receptus
Alexandrian Manuscripts

People would copy the bible off of scrolls.
Someone would copy it every day for several years and when the original was worn out they would discard it and keep coping off a copy.
God told the profits what to write and after a few hundred years there were hundreds of copies.
Copies would get spread around world and they would have no contact between the two copies.
200-300 AD Alexandria Egypt claimed to be Christian but were a cult and did not believe in the deity of Christ.
They made their own copy of the scrolls and made slight changes.
Where it said 'Lord Jesus Christ' theirs say 'Jesus Christ'
The church go a copy and said it was no good.
The cult dissolved and the church went on using the good copies.
In 1400 there were 5000 copies that were all the same and they make the KJV bible from them.
Westcott and Hort used Alexandrian Manuscripts because they were older than the rest (correct) so they must be better (WRONG)

CS 104 - Class 9

Let there be light.
or - light
ma'or - light source
High frequency sound can create light in water - God's voice.
24 hour day is one spin of the earth.
If sun was gone we would still have a 24 hour day.
Since God is light he can make light without a source.
God is the source of life not the sun.

Mr. Flat and Mrs. Flat.
Two pieces of paper on a table.
They live in a two dimensional world
He only sees 1 dimension and perceives the second dimension.
We see width and height and perceive depth.
So how do I reveal my 3 dimensional self to Mr and Mrs Flat?
Put 1 finger through the table by Mr Flat and he sees a circle.
Put 3 fingers through the table by Mrs Flat and she sees three circles.
They have an argument weather I am one circle or two circles but both are right yet both are completely wrong.

Ephesians 3:18-19
[18] May be able to comprehend with all saints what is the breadth, and length, and depth, and height;
[19] And to know the love of Christ, which passeth knowledge, that ye might be filled with all the fulness of God.
God has 4 dimensions.
Understanding that passes knowledge - Think about that too long it will make your head hurt.
I am outside of their world but can be closer to them than they can be to each other. (Put your hand on top of paper)
Where do the races come from?
No question that there are different skin colors but there is only one race.
4 theories
Adam was medium brown.
1. Adam had all 4 races in the first generation. That is possible and happens today.
2. Dark skin is the mark of Cain. - wicked theory
Mormon doctrine
Negro's should be excluded form Mormonism until they found out they could play basketball for Brigham Young University.
"Negroes in this life are denied the Priesthood; under no circumstances can they hold this delegation of authority from the Almighty. (Abra. 1:20-27.)
Negro's are not equal with other races, It is the lords doing because of the lack of spiritual values in their first estate.
Mormons believe Adam went to heaven and became God of this world. If you are a good Mormon you will go to heaven and become God of your own world. Adam is in heaven now having sex with his many wives and they produce spirit babies. If it is a good spirit baby it gets sent to Earth with a light skinned body, if it is a bad spirit baby it gets a dark skin body.
Book - Hidden history of the Mormon
Curse of Cain being skin color is un-scriptural.
Problem with it is that Noah's family would have eliminated the entire population of dark skin.

3. Curse of Canaan
Genesis 9:24
There may have been no alcohol before the flood.
Hyperbaric conditions may prevent juice from fermenting.
Noah used to making grape juice and letting it sit for years and had no problem pre-flood and may have gotten drunk on accident.
Can not be proven but Noah was a preacher of righteousness so giving him the benefit of the doubt is best.
Noah became drunk off his wine and was naked in his tent. Ham came in and went to his brothers and laughed then the other brothers walked in backwards and covered him. When Noah found out he said cursed be Canaan.
A servant of servants he will be.
Why did he curse Canaan?
USA is 13% black.
A survey will show a higher amount of blacks in servant positions than leadership.
Does not prove anything.

4. Tower of Babel
Nimrod wanted to make a tower to heaven.
May have designed it to be high enough to survive another flood.
May have built it in spite of Gods command.

Genesis 10:5
[5] By these were the isles of the Gentiles divided in their lands; every one after his tongue, after their families, in their nations.
Not just tongues confused but nations.
Genesis 10:32
[32] These are the families of the sons of Noah, after their generations, in their nations: and by these were the nations divided in the earth after the flood. They created the nationalities.

Japheth had 14 kids and grand kids
Ham had 31 kids
Canaan cursed

Egypt is the land of Ham
Psalms 105:27
[26] He sent Moses his servant; and Aaron whom he had chosen.
[27] They shewed his signs among them, and wonders in the land of Ham.
Psalms 106:22
[21] They forgat God their saviour, which had done great things in Egypt;
[22] Wondrous works in the land of Ham, and terrible things by the Red sea.

Japheth Europeans
Shem Orientals
Living near equator does not give you black skin anymore than loosing an arm causes your kids to loose be missing an arm at birth.
More melanin in your skin allows you to stay in the sun longer with out a problem.
Shem had 29 kids and grand kids

May have been 75 original languages at tower of babel.
Now there are probably 6000 languages.
English, German, Danish all have common structure.
Old English is now almost unreadable compared to todays English.
Words in Australia mean completely different things as they do here.
Napkin - diaper
Nurse baby - hold baby
If there was no rapid communication the languages would still change.
Spanish, French, Italian have common structure.

Acts 17:26
[26] And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation;
All nations are one blood.
Malachi 2:10
[10] Have we not all one father? hath not one God created us? why do we deal treacherously every man against his brother, by profaning the covenant of our fathers? We have one father.

Amoeba - One cell splits into two Asexual
They moved one chromosome from one cell to another.
1 chromosome is 6-7ft long.
There are 50 trillion cells in your body.
One persons chromosome unwound would reach from here to the moon and back 5 million times.
All your DNA would fill 2 tablespoons
1 Chromosome from each person in the world (enough information to recreate every person alive) would fit into an Aspirin.
Dolly costed $50000 and had 277 failures.
Sheep can do this much quicker and cheaper.
Problem with Dolley was she aged faster than normal.
Chromosomes loose information on the ends of them as you get older and since they used a 4 year old sheep when Dolley was 2 years old it was more like she was 6 physically.
Would a clone have a soul?
Yes. If someone takes fertility pills and has quadruplets they all have souls.

If God created a perfect world why are there poisonous snakes?
Problems in the world do not disprove the world was perfect.
We are a copy of a copy of a copy of a copy ...... of a copy of Adam.
Like looking at a car in a junk yard and saying it they did not know how to build a car because it is crashed.
Hyperbaric conditions neutralize poison.
Electric shock applied to the bite neutralizes snake/spider venom.
Venom is a tangled up protein so the body attacks it.
The electric shock straightens out the protein.
If it has been more than 30 minutes shock the bite and 1/2 way to the heart and the back of the bite.
Hemotoxic - effects blood stream
Neruotoxic - Effects nervous system

3 arks mentioned in the bible.
Noah's, Moses (Put in reeds), Ark of Covenant
Mercy seat, 10 commandments, manna, walking stick
Jeremiah 52 - They took cups, candle sticks, bowls out of Jerusalem and into Babylon by Nebuchadrezzar
Ezra 1 - Lists 29 knives, basins of silver and gold, etc.
No Ark of Covenant.
Wouldn't they have mentioned something that important?

Ron Wyatt found the Ark of Covenant
North side of Jerusalem he was walking with Israelite friend getting tour and he stuck out his hand and pointed at a pile of rock and garbage and his mouth said "That is Jeremiah's grotto, that is where the ark of the covenant is".
King Uzziah make sling shots that threw stones - catapult
Nebuchadrezzar built a wall outside of the range of his catapults and put Jerusalem under siege.
Between the wall of Jerusalem and Nebuchadrezzar's wall there was no mans land.
Ron figures that Jeremiah knew that they would loose and he hid the ark and some important furniture outside the city wall in a cave where no one would find it. Ron spent 8 years digging through the garbage dumb (whenever he got a chance to go over there) .
As they went down he found three squares chiseled into the rock on the side of the cliff. They came to a ledge with a square hole in it that was 2 1/2 feet deep. Hole was probably to put a cross in. The 3 squares were to put the charges of the criminals in. Further down there were 3 more square holes for crosses so they could crucify 4 people at a time with the important person on the top. They found hundreds of baseball sized rocks and further down found many fragments of finger bones. Upon the ledge there was a 1/2 inch crack running down through the solid rock straight out of the square hole. They found may caves going everywhere that had so small of openings they had to exhale to get into them. Ron squeezed into one of the caves and it lead into a bigger chamber. He saw gold reflection with his light and found the shew bread. There was a box made out of solid rock close to the ceiling. The cover had a crack in it half way through and partly moved away. They measured the crack in the cover and the one from the square hole and they lined up. Ron thinks Jesus was crucified here and the "rocks rent". Ron thought hard about touching the ark because he knew what happened to the last person that touched it but since he was a Christian with his sins forgiven and King Uzza only had his sins covered he figured it was alright for him to touch it. So he finally opened the lid and inside were the 10 commandments but no staff or manna. Ron did not want to move it because he did not want to start WW3 with the Muslims so he reported it to the authorities. Ark had 2 angles on the cover and was covered in black dried blood that was also on the floor and ceiling coming from the crack. Ron took it and had it analyzed and it was human but had 23 chromosomes.
Uzza touched the ark and God killed him.

God's name in Jerusalem
Hebrew schen is the symbol for God.
Numbers 6:27
[27] And they shall put my name upon the children of Israel; and I will bless them.
1 Kings 9:3
2 Kings 21:4
2 Kings 21:7
2 Chronicles 33:7
Jerusalem has 3 valleys that make up a schen

Patterson-Gimlin video most famous
several people have claimed to see them.
7-8 ft tall and stink.
They run very fast.
Once it got moving it went 20' per step.
Have red eyes - maybe just the light reflecting.
Do not know if they are real or a fake.

Who were the Nephilim?
Genesis 6:2
[2] That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.
1. Could have been the Godly line of Seth that begun to marry the decedents of Cain.
That would not produce anything genetically odd such as giants.
2. sons of God are fallen angles
Henry Morris - Defenders Bible gives several references to other verses in scripture that support this theory.
1/3 of the angles may have left at the fall of Satan.
Legends of Zeus and other Greek gods may have come from this.
Chuck Missler book - Return of the Nephilim
The angles involved in this are already in hell because they drown in the flood and the rest of the fallen angles are still on earth.
When Jesus cast out the many devils from the man he said
Matthew 8:29
[29] And, behold, they cried out, saying, What have we to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of God? art thou come hither to torment us before the time?
"Before our time" would indicate they too would be going to hell to be tormented.
Angles in the bible always take on the body of a man.

120 Years
Genesis 6:3
[3] And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.
Some have said that this means no man will live to be over 120 years old so the bible is wrong because there are documented cases of people living to 140 in China.
May mean God gave Noah a 120 year warning that the flood was coming.
The "giants" may not even be talking about the sons of God and daughters of men - it may be two different thoughts in the same sentence.
Read it carefully - it may be but it might not be.

CS 104 - Class 10

Bible Codes
Chuck Missler wrote a book that has excellent work on the topic.
Bible in Hebrew contains codes that can not be explained as accidental.
Put all the Hebrew letters in a computer without punctuation and do a search for Hitler.
Every 22 letters gave Hitler. Every 13 letters gave "The bitter sea of Auschwitz" other places in same book gave "King of Nazi's, a people cry murder, slaughter"
2 secular Hebrew scholars and 3 mathematicians discovered the code.
It is an amazing study but I don't know if it is true.

Ica Stones show a Chief looking through a telescope at flying object.
UFOs may be naturally occurring objects.
Weather balloons,
Swamp gas - Burp from rotting vegetation
As gas goes up in atmosphere it produces wavy air like hot blacktop.
Top secret government air craft.
Satanically operated vehicle.
The devil will have to come up with some sort of excuse of why millions of people have gone missing at the rapture.
He probably would start a few hundred years early to convince people.
Several books on the topic.
Stan Deyo - The Cosmic Conspiracy
Top secret government craft use electrogravitic propulsion.
A jet produces G forces from the engine pushing on the plane that pushes on you so you experience the G forces too.
Electrogravitic propulsion every molecule gets moved so there is no G forces.
Many people describe UFO crafts that start going in one direction very fast then take a sudden 90 deg turn that would be impossible with other propulsion means.

How long were Adam and Eve in the garden?
At the most 120 years.
First date given is when Seth was born.

How old were Cain and Able?
Did Adam and Eve have other children when Cain killed Able?
Scripture does not say.

Where is the Garden of Eden?
In Genesis there are 4 rivers that run into one river and one is called Euphrates so people look at a river in the middle east and say that must have been where the garden was.
This just means that when they got off the ark they saw a river that reminded them or the one on the pre-flood world and named it after it.
We have New York, New Hampshire, Moscow in the US but none of them are the original countries they are just named after them.
Rivers act much differently now days.
Rivers start as many rivers and become one, not split into 4 rivers like described.

Mark of the Beast.
100 years ago they thought the mark would be ink on paper.
Revelation 13:16-17
[16] And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
[17] And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
Note it says mark IN hand or forehead not ON.
1972 bar code invented
Computers can only count to 1 so binary code was created.
8 bits = 1 byte = 1 letter
bit is 0 or 1
laser shines across the bar code and sees dark light and interprets it as 1 and 0.
Fat black line equals 3 lines together.
1 thick line = 11111
first middle and end all have guard bars that have the equivalent of 6.
One thick line and a thin line
0001101 = 1110010 = zero
0101111 = 1010000 = six
exact opposites on bar code are equal
two black lines with space in between.
UPC - universal product code.
The ones your library has are different because they are not the same standard.
Left side of the code is information on where the product is made and what it is and on the right is a place for the shop keeper to enter the price .

Microchip the size of grain of rice.
$4-5 per chip.
Injected under skin using large needle.
Put in pets to find them if they are lost.
Take the chip and walk past a reader and it will list your information.
Chip only contains a number that is linked to database with your info.
Chip in your car can find you with the satellites if your car is stolen.
Can track everywhere you have been.
Words 5480, 5482 in Strong's reference bible has the word mark and it can be described as the same word that is used for etching, a graver, the tool used for engraving, the expressed image, to sharpen to a point.
A chip is an engraved piece of silicone that gets pierced with a needle.

HAARP Technology
High Frequency Active Auroral Research Program
If you microwave the sky hot air expands and you can create a lens in the atmosphere.
You can create a lens over a country to cause it to never rain and starve them out or make it effect another area by causing floods.
Virtual mirror
Book - Angles don't play this HAARP

ELF - Extremely low frequency
1992 had satellites to count the cows and make sure you were not cheating on your income taxes saying you had 1000 cows when you actually had 10000.

Revelation 14:11
[11] And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.
The word AND is important indicating that you will not burn if you only have the mark yet not worship the beast.
Babies may be injected at birth with the mark and not have a choice.

Shroud of Turin
Holes in hands.
When Romans crucified they nailed in the wrists.
They would use a board with a nail through it to prevent the nail from going all the way through the bone and rip out of the hand.
Hand is considered everything before the elbow.
Carbon dated 2000 years old - doesn't mean anything even if carbon dating did work.
John 20:6-7
[6] Then cometh Simon Peter following him, and went into the sepulchre, and seeth the linen clothes lie,
[7] And the napkin, that was about his head, not lying with the linen clothes, but wrapped together in a place by itself.
Different head piece than the rest of the body
Isiah 50:6
[6] I gave my back to the smiters, and my cheeks to them that plucked off the hair: I hid not my face from shame and spitting.
Jesus had his hair removed when he was crucified
He probably had a beard when alive because that was the custom of the time but not when burried.
It can not be the shroud Jesus was buried in.

Do you have a PhD?
Ad homonym attack.
Doctor of philosophy
Midwest Baptist College 1974
Masters and Doctors from Patriot University in CO
Ministry of Hilltop Baptist courses
Non-accredited school - 400 students.
I worked hard for my degree - how hard did you work for yours?
Harvard, Yale, Princeton are all non-accredited schools.

Who wrote Genesis?
Skeptics say there were 4 different authors to try to remove creditability.
Henry Morris Defenders Bible has good explanation.
Genesis 38 talks about raising seed for your brother if he dies and leaves a widow so skeptics say in Luke when it says 'what master Moses wrote' about that topic they are referring to Genesis so that proves Moses wrote Genesis.
The same thing is also talked about in Deuteronomy and Moses is definitely the author of that.
Moses was the editor of Genesis.
The phrase "These are the generations of ..." is the author signing off.
Adam, Noah, Noah's sons all wrote a section.
Several different styles of writing
Chapter 1 the word God appeared 31 times.
Adam used the words Lord God.
Babylonians have some books older than Genesis.
Moses did not write Genesis so the copies we have were writen after the Sumerian books.
Shem 11:10
Tera 11:27
Ishmael 25:12

Two things that depend on each other to survive.
Some flowers can only be pollinated by a certain fly and those fly's only lay eggs on certain types of flowers.
If one of them dies the entire population will disappear in one generation.
Clown fish and jelly fish
Had to be created simultaneously

Why don't we have giant insects today?
Insects suck oxygen in through holes in their skin and have no diaphragm like us to move the air.
Surface area to Volume ratio problem.
1x1x1 cube - V= 1, SA = 6 6:1 Ratio
2x2x2 cube - V = 8, SA = 24 3:1 Ratio
3x3x3 cube - V = 27, SA = 54 2:1 Ratio
.1x.1x.1 cube 60:1 Ratio
.01x.01x.01 cube 600:1 Ratio
Small insects are almost all skin and no volume
If an ant falls from an airplane it falls slowly similar to a human falling threw peanut butter.
Video #2 - 15" cockroach, 8 1/2' centipede, 2' grass hopper
Something was different before the flood.
More air pressure before the flood would explain the large insects.
Walt Brown's book claims there was no canopy and he can not explain the insect problem.

Is the sun shrinking?
Measurements from an observatory in England over the last 150 years show the sun is shrinking vertically and horizontally.
Sun is egg shaped because it is spinning.
This used to be used as a proof of an young earth because if the sun is burning due to gravitational collapse then it will continue to shrink and burn out however if it is burning with nuclear fusion then the variations could just mean the sun shrinks and swells.
If burning with fusion then it would produce neutrinos but scientists can not find any.
They have created giant tanks to try to capture them but never catch any.
No one knows how the sun burns.

Red Sea crossing.
Why is there no sign of an entire army drowning in the red sea?
Some claim there was no miracle but they crossed where it was ankle deep.
That is an even bigger miracle because how does an entire army drown in ankle deep water?
May have been been an asteroid strike on the exact opposite side of the earth causing a tidal wave to go around planet on both sides at exact same time to meet in the read sea and part at the right place for Moses to cross.
If that was true that would also require divine intervention to have it happen at the exact right time and place.
Exodus 14:25
[25] And took off their chariot wheels, that they drave them heavily: so that the Egyptians said, Let us flee from the face of Israel; for the LORD fighteth for them against the Egyptians.
God took off the chariot wheels.
The Red Sea has two gulf's. Gulf of Suez and Gulf of Aqaba
Most bibles today have a triangle indicating Mt. Sinai with a question mark by it.
A Phoenician princess (or something like that) was riding past and said "That is Mt. Sinai" even thought she had no reason why but she thought so.
Why did it take Pharaoh 3 days to catch up to them if they were in the Gulf of Aqaba?
Rocks all over the place that have been pushed out of the way for wagons.
There is a large beach at the south end.
Ron Wyatt found pillar saying "This pillar is here to commemorate the crossing of the Red Sea"
He then went to the other side and found another one .
They got arrested because they crossed illegally because the Saudi government would not let them in and were tossed in jail.
8-9 miles across the gulf
The depth of the water is 5000ft for most of the gulf however at the middle it is only 900 ft deep.
Bible says there was a wall of water.
Aaron - underwater path - at edge they went scuba diving as deep as they could go and found chariot wheels with no chariots and chariots without wheels, horse skeletons.
Wyatt Museum - 4, 6, 8 spoke wheels on chariots
The Egyptian dynasty at the time of Moses is the only one to use all three types of wheels at the same time.
Mountain in Saudi Arabia called Mt. of Laws
Galatians 4:25-26
[24] Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar. [25] For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.
Says right there that Mt Sinai is in Arabia.
Mountain is still black on the top.
There is an alter at the bottom.
Lots of bibles show a picture of a small stream coming out of the rock that moses struck for water.
How long would it take to provide enough water for 2 million people and their cattle with a stream trickling out of a rock?
They found a rock as tall as a 5 story building cracked in half and errosion marks on both sides.
Ron Wyatt also found Sodom and Gomorrah
Cliffs of sulfur.
Millions of sulfur balls.
Scrape off the white and there is yellow sulfur inside of it.
Found no place else in the world but that spot.
I don't know if it is Sodom and Gomorrah but it could be.

What is a Unicorn?
I don't know.
Bible says strength of a unicorn in Job.
Unicorn similar to animal you would plow with but could not because it is wild and untameable.
Doubt it would be a horse with a horn on his head but it could have been.
Could be on of the one horned dinosaurs.
Reptiles are impossible to tame.

Wisdom teeth prove evolution.
Jaw is getting smaller proves evolution.
That is the opposite of evolution.
If you grew 10 ft tall and lived to be 900 you would probably still be an adolescent until 25.

Should Christians be observing the sabbath?
Exodus 20:8
[8] Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
[9] Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
[10] But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
You are not to allow anyone else to do work on the sabbath also.
If you did you would be put to death.
Exodus 13
[13] Speak thou also unto the children of Israel, saying, Verily my sabbaths ye shall keep: for it is a sign between me and you throughout your generations; that ye may know that I am the LORD that doth sanctify you.
[16] Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the sabbath, to observe the sabbath throughout their generations, for a perpetual covenant.
[17] It is a sign between me and the children of Israel for ever: for in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested, and was refreshed. Sabbath for children of Israel. (I am not from Israel)
Nehemiah 9:14
[14] And madest known unto them thy holy sabbath, and commandedst them precepts, statutes, and laws, by the hand of Moses thy servant
They did not even know when the sabbath was until Moses went up on Mt Sinai.
Children of Israel not to light a fire, furnace, hot water, start car.
Let no man go out of his place on the sabbath.
How can there be Seventh Day Adventist Churches?

If you have questions call.
I get 1000 e-mails per week and can not answer them all.
Skeptics say that because I did not answer that means I am afraid of them.
I just don't have time to give long responses.